Oriana Fallaci interview with Mohammad Reza Shah
http://www.amazon.com/Interview-History-Oriana-Fallaci/dp/0395252237/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1280442661&sr=1-1
pp. 267-269.
O.F.: My goodness, it must be a great nuisance! I
mean, it must be pretty lonely being a king instead of a
man.
M.R.P.: I don’t deny I’m lonely. Deeply so. A king,
when he doesn’t have to account to anyone for what he
says and does, is inevitably very much alone. But I’m
not entirely alone because I’m accompanied by a force
that others can’t see. My mystical force. And the I get
messages. Religious messages. I’m very, very religious.
I believe in God, and I’ve always said that if God
didn’t exist, it would be necessary to invent him. Oh, I
feel so sorry for those poor souls who don’t have God.
You can’t live without God. I’ve lived with God ever
since the age of five. That is, since God gave me those
visions.
OF: Visions, Majesty?
MRP: Yes, visions. Apparitions.
OF: Of what? Of whom?
MRP: Of prophets. Oh, I’m surprised you don’t know
about it. Everyone knows I’ve had visions. I even wrote
it in my autobiography. As a child I had two visions.
One when I was five and one when I was six. The first
time, I saw our Prophet Ali, he who, according to our
religion, disappeared to return on the day when he would
save the world. I had an accident – I fell against a
rock. And he saved me – he placed himself between me and
the rock. I know because I saw him. And not in a dream –
in reality. Material reality, if you see what I mean. I
was the only one who saw him. The person who was with me
didn’t see him at all. But no one else was supposed to
see him except me because ... Oh, I’m afraid you don’t
understand me.
OF: Indeed I don’t, Majesty. I don’t understand you
at all. We had got off to such a good start, and instead
now ... This business of visions, of apparitions.. It’s
not clear to me, that’s all.
MRP: Because you don’t believe. You don’t believe in
God, you don’t believe me. Many people don’t. Even my
father didn’t believe it. He never believed it, he
always laughed about it. Anyway many people, albeit
respectfully, ask if I didn’t ever suspect it was a
fantasy. My answer is no. No, because I believe in God,
in the fact of having been chosen by God to accomplish a
mission. My visions were miracles that saved the country.
My reign has saved the country and it’s saved it because
God was besides me. I mean, it’s not fair for me to take
all the credit for myself for the great things that I’ve
done for Iran. Mind you, I could. But I don’t want to,
because I know that there was someone else behind me. It
was God. Do you see what I mean?
OF: No, Majesty. Because.. well, did you have these
visions only as a child, or have you also had them later
as an adult?
MRP: I told you, only as a child. Never as an adult –
only dreams. At intervals of one or two years. Or every
seven or eight years. For instance, I once had two
dreams in the span of fifteen years.
OF: What dreams, Majesty?
MRP: Religious dreams. Based on my mysticism. Dreams
in which I saw what would happen in tow or three months,
and that happened just that way in two or three months.
But what these dreams were about, I can’t tell you. They
didn’t have to do with me personally; they had to do
with domestic problems of the country and so should be
considered as state secrets. But perhaps you’d
understand better if instead of the word dreams I used
the word presentiments. I believe in presentiments too.
Some believe in reincarnation, I believe in
presentiments. I have continuous presentiments, as
strong as my instinct. Even the day they shot at me from
a distant of six feet, it was my instinct that saved me.
Because, instinctively, while the assassin was emptying
his revolver at me, I did what in boxing is called
shadow dancing. And a fraction of a second before he
aimed at my heart, I moved aside in such a way that the
bullet went into my shoulder. A miracle. I also believe
in miracles. When you think I’ve been wounded by a good
five bullets, one in the face, one in the shoulder, one
in the head, two in the body, and that the last one
stuck in the barrel because the trigger jammed... You
have to believe in miracles. I’ve had so many air
disasters, and yet I’ve always come out unscathed –
thanks to a miracle while by God and the prophets. I see
you’re incredulous.
گفتگوی محمد رضا شاه با
اوریانا فالاچی در کتاب مصاحبه با تاریخ
محمدرضا شاه، با «اوریانا فالاچی» در اکتبر ۱۹۷۳
در تهران گفتگو کرد و این گفتگو، در کتابی به نام
«مصاحبه با تاریخ»
*
که مجموعه گفتگوهایی با چهرههای شناخته
شده کشورهای دیگری نیز هست به فارسی ترجمه و چاپ
شده است. شاه، در این مصاحبه در جواب سئوالات
فالاچی از جمله درباره افکار مذهبی خود، چنین ادعا
میکند:
«… با وجود این من به کلی تنها نیستم، زیرا نیرویی
که دیگران نمیبینند، مرا همراهی میکند. یک نیروی
عرفانی. وانگهی من پیامهایی دریافت میکنم.
پیامهای مذهبی. من خیلی مذهبی هستم. به خدا باور
دارم و همواره گفتهام که اگر هم خدا وجود
نمیداشت باید اختراعش میکردیم. واقعا آن آدمهای
بدبختی که خدا ندارند، مرا سخت متاثر میکنند. نمی
توان بدون خدا زندگی کرد. من از پنج سالگی با خدا
زندگی میکنم، اما از زمانی که الهاماتی به من شد
- الهامات، اعلیحضرت؟
- بله، الهامات، تجلیات.
- از که، از چه؟
- از پیامبران. آه تعجب میکنم که نمیدانستید.
همه میدانند که الهاماتی به من شده است. من حتی
این را در زندگینامهام نوشتهام. در کودکی دو بار
به من الهام شده است یک بار در پنج سالگی و بار
دوم در شش سالگی. در نخستین بار من حضرت قائم را
دیدم که بنابر مذهب ما غایب شده است تا روزی
برگردد و حهان را نجات دهد… من این را میدانم
زیرا من او را دیدهام، نه در رویا، در واقعیت،
واقعیت مادی، میفهمید؟ من او را دیدم، همین. کسی
که همراه من بود او را ندید. و کسی هم جز من نمی
بایستی او را ببیند، زیرا… آه میترسم منظورم را
درک نکنید… الهامات من معجزههایی بودند که کشور
را نجات دادند. سلطنت من کشور را نجات داده زیرا
خدا به من نزدیک بوده است …»
شاه، در رابطه با سئوالی درباره زنان، با تحقیر
زنان جواب میدهد: «بله، شما زنان هرگز یک میکل
آنژ، یا یک باخ نداشتهاید یا حتی یک اشپز بزرگ، و
اگر از امکان و فرصت صحبت کنید، پاسخ میدهم که
شوخی است… هیچ چیز بزرگی نداشتهاید. راستی شما در
طی این مصاحبههایتان چند زن قادر به اداره یک
کشور را دیدهاید؟…»
وی، در جواب سئوال اوریانا فالاچی، درباره ممنوعیت
فعالیت احزاب، مفهوم دموکراسی و اعدام نیز میگوید:
«اقلیت های سیاسی به قدری کم اهمیت و مسخره هستند
که حتی نمیتوانند یک نماینده انتخاب کنند. من
همچنین نمیخواهم که حزب کمونیست مجاز باشد. در
ایران، کمونیست ها غیرقانونی هستند… اما من
دموکراسی را نمیخواهم و نمیدانم با آن چه باید
کرد. این دموکراسی ارزانی خودتان باد… در این جا
لازم و درست است که بعضیها اعدام بشوند. در این
جا ترحم بیهوده است.